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		<title>By: Greeblie</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/2257/comment-page-1#comment-2378</link>
		<dc:creator>Greeblie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your list of Islamo-fascist terror attacks show at least go back to 1983, when the marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by a suicide truck bomb.  Just a note...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your list of Islamo-fascist terror attacks show at least go back to 1983, when the marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by a suicide truck bomb.  Just a note&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: j.d.</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/2257/comment-page-1#comment-2376</link>
		<dc:creator>j.d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh: And, via my counter-terrorism expert, I have a correction for you: T-Mac&#039;s motivation for the OKC attacks, it was anarchist literature and anger about the Branch Davidian incident in Waco, TX. A psychologist who examined him for his trial &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/1325650.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;told the BBC that&lt;/a&gt; he was bullied a lot as a kid, suffered from PTSD from the 1991 Gulf War, and then was exposed to the above literature.

That has not stopped white Christian racist groups from claiming him. 

My source has promised a cite better than the one I provided soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh: And, via my counter-terrorism expert, I have a correction for you: T-Mac&#8217;s motivation for the OKC attacks, it was anarchist literature and anger about the Branch Davidian incident in Waco, TX. A psychologist who examined him for his trial <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/1325650.stm" rel="nofollow">told the BBC that</a> he was bullied a lot as a kid, suffered from PTSD from the 1991 Gulf War, and then was exposed to the above literature.</p>
<p>That has not stopped white Christian racist groups from claiming him. </p>
<p>My source has promised a cite better than the one I provided soon.</p>
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		<title>By: j.d.</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/2257/comment-page-1#comment-2373</link>
		<dc:creator>j.d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not bad. All of these terrorist elements should be rooted out and crushed. 

What I think many do is underestimate the role religion plays in the terrorist threat. I&#039;m not saying that a Semtex belt (or anything else) is a part of the Islamic identity - that notion is patently absurd. What I&#039;m saying is that there are elements of Islamic thought who would like it to be that way, and that there are more of them than we are willing to admit, and as I demonstrated, some of us are quite willing to deny for their own purposes.

If you want to do your own investigations on this, I recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.memri.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MEMRI&lt;/a&gt;, the Middle East Media Research Institute. It&#039;s a compilation of translated Mideast media reports looking at America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not bad. All of these terrorist elements should be rooted out and crushed. </p>
<p>What I think many do is underestimate the role religion plays in the terrorist threat. I&#8217;m not saying that a Semtex belt (or anything else) is a part of the Islamic identity &#8211; that notion is patently absurd. What I&#8217;m saying is that there are elements of Islamic thought who would like it to be that way, and that there are more of them than we are willing to admit, and as I demonstrated, some of us are quite willing to deny for their own purposes.</p>
<p>If you want to do your own investigations on this, I recommend <a href="http://www.memri.org" rel="nofollow">MEMRI</a>, the Middle East Media Research Institute. It&#8217;s a compilation of translated Mideast media reports looking at America.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/2257/comment-page-1#comment-2372</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a minor nit, but I don&#039;t think a moral equivalence was being established.

One can say that two things are both bad without insisting that both are equally bad.

One can argue that Islamic fundamentalism is a greater source of violence, therefore deserves to be a top focus, or that Christian fundamentalism is right here in Kansas (see Timothy McVeigh) and we should clean up our own house.

Or we could figure out a way to walk and chew gum, taking on violent fundamentalism whatever the underlying creed, without assuming that doing so establishes an equivalence.

How deftly did I walk that line?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a minor nit, but I don&#8217;t think a moral equivalence was being established.</p>
<p>One can say that two things are both bad without insisting that both are equally bad.</p>
<p>One can argue that Islamic fundamentalism is a greater source of violence, therefore deserves to be a top focus, or that Christian fundamentalism is right here in Kansas (see Timothy McVeigh) and we should clean up our own house.</p>
<p>Or we could figure out a way to walk and chew gum, taking on violent fundamentalism whatever the underlying creed, without assuming that doing so establishes an equivalence.</p>
<p>How deftly did I walk that line?</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/2257/comment-page-1#comment-2371</link>
		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammit!  Well since you called &quot;win&quot; I suppose you get this one.  Next time I&#039;ll be a little quicker on the draw.

So you coming home for Thanksgiving?

Oh yeah, and PFFOOOOOOOOMAGICSTARWARSPOOPPOOPPOOPGNARGNARGNARGNAR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit!  Well since you called &#8220;win&#8221; I suppose you get this one.  Next time I&#8217;ll be a little quicker on the draw.</p>
<p>So you coming home for Thanksgiving?</p>
<p>Oh yeah, and PFFOOOOOOOOMAGICSTARWARSPOOPPOOPPOOPGNARGNARGNARGNAR</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think a mother getting an abortion is like a terrorist at all.  Unless she directs a plane to fly into her hoo-hoo with a suicide bomber paid to do it, then no, it&#039;s not terrorism.

I had typed a bunch of stuff to post as a rebuttal, but as you and I found out, Neil, on so many occasions, our politics will always clash, and we will have to accept disagreement.

I still win, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think a mother getting an abortion is like a terrorist at all.  Unless she directs a plane to fly into her hoo-hoo with a suicide bomber paid to do it, then no, it&#8217;s not terrorism.</p>
<p>I had typed a bunch of stuff to post as a rebuttal, but as you and I found out, Neil, on so many occasions, our politics will always clash, and we will have to accept disagreement.</p>
<p>I still win, though.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue of maternal health is valid, though I would have to see a study that controls for whether or not it&#039;s the abortion-having demographic that&#039;s more susceptible to breast cancer, and also, I don&#039;t entirely agree with it being solely the woman&#039;s right choose, as it generally takes both a man and a woman to make babies.  Ideally, both genders would take equal responsibility, but yea, that&#039;s just ideal for me, not necessarily reality.  In addition, each must decide for themselves when abortion is justified; free will cannot be scripted for others.  But that&#039;s all beside the point.

Where I take offense:  Comparing those who exercise their right to abortion, or perform abortions, to Islamic or Christian terrorists, in effect, condemns thirty million mothers and doctors as murderers.  To condemn these folks as such requires believing that each fetus has a soul, and that destruction of this soul is murder.  This is largely a Christian belief.  Church and state are separate, and state decides who the murderers are. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue of maternal health is valid, though I would have to see a study that controls for whether or not it&#8217;s the abortion-having demographic that&#8217;s more susceptible to breast cancer, and also, I don&#8217;t entirely agree with it being solely the woman&#8217;s right choose, as it generally takes both a man and a woman to make babies.  Ideally, both genders would take equal responsibility, but yea, that&#8217;s just ideal for me, not necessarily reality.  In addition, each must decide for themselves when abortion is justified; free will cannot be scripted for others.  But that&#8217;s all beside the point.</p>
<p>Where I take offense:  Comparing those who exercise their right to abortion, or perform abortions, to Islamic or Christian terrorists, in effect, condemns thirty million mothers and doctors as murderers.  To condemn these folks as such requires believing that each fetus has a soul, and that destruction of this soul is murder.  This is largely a Christian belief.  Church and state are separate, and state decides who the murderers are.</p>
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		<title>By: j.d.</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/2257/comment-page-1#comment-2368</link>
		<dc:creator>j.d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abortion is a complex issue that will not be easily resolved, if it will ever be. (I do, however, object to any minor under 18 receiving &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; non-emergency medical procedure without said minor&#039;s legal guardians being notified.)

What I&#039;d meant to highlight is the dangerous degree of moral equivalence that has been brought to us by the confluence of identity politics and the &quot;diversity&quot; movement (the &quot;group&quot; &lt;em&gt;uber alles&lt;/em&gt;) with the threat of terrorism -- that causes such absurd statements as the one I noted to be uttered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abortion is a complex issue that will not be easily resolved, if it will ever be. (I do, however, object to any minor under 18 receiving <em>any</em> non-emergency medical procedure without said minor&#8217;s legal guardians being notified.)</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d meant to highlight is the dangerous degree of moral equivalence that has been brought to us by the confluence of identity politics and the &#8220;diversity&#8221; movement (the &#8220;group&#8221; <em>uber alles</em>) with the threat of terrorism &#8212; that causes such absurd statements as the one I noted to be uttered.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most prominent rationale for abortion is that it&#039;s needed at times because of rape, incest, and for the health of the mother.  These three reasons combined account for less than one percent of all abortions that occur in the United States.  Furthermore, research has been done that shows women who get abortions have a statistically higher chance of getting breast cancer than women who don&#039;t.  Health of the mother, this time on the other side.

Furthermore, people claim abortion is a &quot;woman&#039;s right&quot; and that it&#039;s her body so she should be able to do with it what she pleases.  Contrary to this argument, polls have shown that over 50% of abortion supporters are MALE.  Why, if it is a woman&#039;s right to her own body, are males the ones who support it more?

If abortion is &quot;needed,&quot; then it is by such a small group of people that does not warrant preventing parents from having a say if their under-18 daughter wants to have an abortion, nor does it warrant having the option available to virtually all people who just don&#039;t want to have a kid, the latter of which account for an overwhelming majority of abortions in the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most prominent rationale for abortion is that it&#8217;s needed at times because of rape, incest, and for the health of the mother.  These three reasons combined account for less than one percent of all abortions that occur in the United States.  Furthermore, research has been done that shows women who get abortions have a statistically higher chance of getting breast cancer than women who don&#8217;t.  Health of the mother, this time on the other side.</p>
<p>Furthermore, people claim abortion is a &#8220;woman&#8217;s right&#8221; and that it&#8217;s her body so she should be able to do with it what she pleases.  Contrary to this argument, polls have shown that over 50% of abortion supporters are MALE.  Why, if it is a woman&#8217;s right to her own body, are males the ones who support it more?</p>
<p>If abortion is &#8220;needed,&#8221; then it is by such a small group of people that does not warrant preventing parents from having a say if their under-18 daughter wants to have an abortion, nor does it warrant having the option available to virtually all people who just don&#8217;t want to have a kid, the latter of which account for an overwhelming majority of abortions in the country.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that was a little snide.  Abortion is a multi-faceted issue that includes nearly every aspect of life: education, science, morality, and yes, even politics.  I would love there to be a world where abortion isn&#039;t needed.  Prove to me that we are in that world today and you&#039;ll have proven to me that abortion is never justified.  As it stands, not everyone considers abortion to be murder. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that was a little snide.  Abortion is a multi-faceted issue that includes nearly every aspect of life: education, science, morality, and yes, even politics.  I would love there to be a world where abortion isn&#8217;t needed.  Prove to me that we are in that world today and you&#8217;ll have proven to me that abortion is never justified.  As it stands, not everyone considers abortion to be murder.</p>
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