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		<title>By: j.d.</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/1986/comment-page-1#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>j.d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 03:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That, my friends, is the illustration of a complete dope.

And, a non-punctual dope at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, my friends, is the illustration of a complete dope.</p>
<p>And, a non-punctual dope at that.</p>
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		<title>By: dannyboy</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/1986/comment-page-1#comment-1180</link>
		<dc:creator>dannyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the couple of comments about no &quot;socialists&quot; in education.  Public education is socialized.  Everyone in public education is a &quot;socialist&quot; when it come to education!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the couple of comments about no &#8220;socialists&#8221; in education.  Public education is socialized.  Everyone in public education is a &#8220;socialist&#8221; when it come to education!</p>
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		<title>By: j.d.</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/1986/comment-page-1#comment-1144</link>
		<dc:creator>j.d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, Josh, you were right about the comments thing. Your first comment here was 2/19, and there hadn&#039;t been another since. I&#039;m not sure why I&#039;d thought you had. 

Anyway, don&#039;t be such a stranger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, Josh, you were right about the comments thing. Your first comment here was 2/19, and there hadn&#8217;t been another since. I&#8217;m not sure why I&#8217;d thought you had. </p>
<p>Anyway, don&#8217;t be such a stranger.</p>
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		<title>By: j.d.</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/1986/comment-page-1#comment-1143</link>
		<dc:creator>j.d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have another misconception: I don&#039;t support the Republican Party. People who feel as I do &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; support the party, and they have their reasons for doing so. Maybe it&#039;s the one that comes the closest, and they see nowhere else to turn. I am not one of those.

Since we&#039;ve been using mathematical analogies, let&#039;s use another one to describe the relationship between conservatives and Republicans: These sets are not disjoint, their intersection is not empty, but neither is a subset of the other. 

The other points you make are good ones. I am aware that as an anti-statist I am proposing a more statist solution to this problem. My theory was that the Governor&#039;s office and Legislative seats are a bit harder for special-interest groups to cherry-pick than BOE seats, which few people follow. I think that if more people watched the current BOE format that it might &quot;fix&quot; itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have another misconception: I don&#8217;t support the Republican Party. People who feel as I do <em>do</em> support the party, and they have their reasons for doing so. Maybe it&#8217;s the one that comes the closest, and they see nowhere else to turn. I am not one of those.</p>
<p>Since we&#8217;ve been using mathematical analogies, let&#8217;s use another one to describe the relationship between conservatives and Republicans: These sets are not disjoint, their intersection is not empty, but neither is a subset of the other. </p>
<p>The other points you make are good ones. I am aware that as an anti-statist I am proposing a more statist solution to this problem. My theory was that the Governor&#8217;s office and Legislative seats are a bit harder for special-interest groups to cherry-pick than BOE seats, which few people follow. I think that if more people watched the current BOE format that it might &#8220;fix&#8221; itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/1986/comment-page-1#comment-1142</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is the first time I&#039;ve left comments here, at least the first time in a good long while.

The trepidation I feel is that, while you don&#039;t support Morris, the legislators you endorse, even if they are moderate Republicans, will vote to put conservatives like Doug Mays and Tim Shallenburger in positions of power, and not moderate voices that I can find common ground with.  I have real trouble understanding how someone who opposes Morris could support the party that supports her.  I count $1000 in donations from the Kansas Republican Victory Fund, and another $1000 from a shadow group associated with them.  

That&#039;s not an attack, it&#039;s just a question, how does a moderate handle the extremism of the party leadership.  This is not a problem the Democratic Party has, so I don&#039;t know.

I agree that the Board of Ed is a flawed system, but I&#039;m not sure that taking it away from the people is a good solution.

Maybe the governor should appoint a commissioner of education, and a locally elected state-wide Board would lose some power to that person.  But putting all that power on an unelected person with a short term of service seems like a recipe for disaster.  In either of our scenarios, you could have rapid cycling in the ways that schools are funded and the standards governing teaching.  That can&#039;t be good.  The overlapping terms of the current system ensure continuity.

As far as evolution, I&#039;m more concerned with educating the public and getting them to reject people like Morris.  No reason to reject the democratic process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is the first time I&#8217;ve left comments here, at least the first time in a good long while.</p>
<p>The trepidation I feel is that, while you don&#8217;t support Morris, the legislators you endorse, even if they are moderate Republicans, will vote to put conservatives like Doug Mays and Tim Shallenburger in positions of power, and not moderate voices that I can find common ground with.  I have real trouble understanding how someone who opposes Morris could support the party that supports her.  I count $1000 in donations from the Kansas Republican Victory Fund, and another $1000 from a shadow group associated with them.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not an attack, it&#8217;s just a question, how does a moderate handle the extremism of the party leadership.  This is not a problem the Democratic Party has, so I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>I agree that the Board of Ed is a flawed system, but I&#8217;m not sure that taking it away from the people is a good solution.</p>
<p>Maybe the governor should appoint a commissioner of education, and a locally elected state-wide Board would lose some power to that person.  But putting all that power on an unelected person with a short term of service seems like a recipe for disaster.  In either of our scenarios, you could have rapid cycling in the ways that schools are funded and the standards governing teaching.  That can&#8217;t be good.  The overlapping terms of the current system ensure continuity.</p>
<p>As far as evolution, I&#8217;m more concerned with educating the public and getting them to reject people like Morris.  No reason to reject the democratic process.</p>
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		<title>By: j.d.</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/1986/comment-page-1#comment-1141</link>
		<dc:creator>j.d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That may be. We may also be on the same side of this issue. It&#039;s funny, though: in all your comments here, it seems like you are disappointed when you discover that all conservatives aren&#039;t Connie Morris. When you meet one that isn&#039;t (as a large number are not), you have no idea how to react.

It&#039;s okay, we don&#039;t bite.

And I&#039;ll say it unequivocally: We are on the same side of this issue.

The problem is that under the current system, everyone gets to deflect accountability for this nonsensical situation, and no one pays the price for it at election time. Putting it on the backs of the Governor&#039;s office and the Legislature (through their nomination/confirmation of officials) will ensure that someone does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may be. We may also be on the same side of this issue. It&#8217;s funny, though: in all your comments here, it seems like you are disappointed when you discover that all conservatives aren&#8217;t Connie Morris. When you meet one that isn&#8217;t (as a large number are not), you have no idea how to react.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s okay, we don&#8217;t bite.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll say it unequivocally: We are on the same side of this issue.</p>
<p>The problem is that under the current system, everyone gets to deflect accountability for this nonsensical situation, and no one pays the price for it at election time. Putting it on the backs of the Governor&#8217;s office and the Legislature (through their nomination/confirmation of officials) will ensure that someone does.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/1986/comment-page-1#comment-1140</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And the sets of â€œyouâ€ and â€œamateur partisan flacksâ€ has an intersection of size 1.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yipe!  I thought you and I were on the same side of this issue, at least.

My point was that if Shallenburger had won, what would have stopped him from appointing Connie Morris as the Secretary of Education?  Would the State Senate really have refused her?  

Have yet to meet any socialists in the education system, but maybe I haven&#039;t been asking enough questions about the means of production.  Since the issue is public office, I&#039;m more interested in the number of socialists in public life in Kansas, a set which I believe to be null, but am prepared to admit my error if confronted with evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And the sets of â€œyouâ€ and â€œamateur partisan flacksâ€ has an intersection of size 1.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yipe!  I thought you and I were on the same side of this issue, at least.</p>
<p>My point was that if Shallenburger had won, what would have stopped him from appointing Connie Morris as the Secretary of Education?  Would the State Senate really have refused her?  </p>
<p>Have yet to meet any socialists in the education system, but maybe I haven&#8217;t been asking enough questions about the means of production.  Since the issue is public office, I&#8217;m more interested in the number of socialists in public life in Kansas, a set which I believe to be null, but am prepared to admit my error if confronted with evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: INDC Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/1986/comment-page-1#comment-1139</link>
		<dc:creator>INDC Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Quick Links&lt;/strong&gt;

*** 25 years for the 63 year-old Ebbers, huh? That&#039;s no joke. *** More Kansas Creationist hijinks. No State Board of Education statements on the evils of Harry Potter ... yet. *** Fantastic news! *** Item: &quot;Revenue Surge Shrinks Deficit.&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Quick Links</strong></p>
<p>*** 25 years for the 63 year-old Ebbers, huh? That&#8217;s no joke. *** More Kansas Creationist hijinks. No State Board of Education statements on the evils of Harry Potter &#8230; yet. *** Fantastic news! *** Item: &#8220;Revenue Surge Shrinks Deficit.&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Politburo Diktat</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/1986/comment-page-1#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator>The Politburo Diktat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;J.D. on Connie Morris&lt;/strong&gt;

	idiots control kansas school science standards
	&#8220;Unbelievable&#8221;
	Evolution is an â€œage-old fairy tale,â€ sometimes defended with â€œanti-God contempt and arrogance,â€ according to a Kansas State Board of Education member involved in writ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>J.D. on Connie Morris</strong></p>
<p>	idiots control kansas school science standards<br />
	&#8220;Unbelievable&#8221;<br />
	Evolution is an â€œage-old fairy tale,â€ sometimes defended with â€œanti-God contempt and arrogance,â€ according to a Kansas State Board of Education member involved in writ&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: j.d.</title>
		<link>http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/1986/comment-page-1#comment-1137</link>
		<dc:creator>j.d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the school system, the two groups of socialists and unaccountable people have quite a large intersection.

And the sets of &quot;you&quot; and &quot;amateur partisan flacks&quot; has an intersection of size 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the school system, the two groups of socialists and unaccountable people have quite a large intersection.</p>
<p>And the sets of &#8220;you&#8221; and &#8220;amateur partisan flacks&#8221; has an intersection of size 1.</p>
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